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Kirkandrews Old Churchyard ***COMPLETE***

 
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:07 pm    Post subject: Kirkandrews Old Churchyard ***COMPLETE*** Reply with quote

OS Map Ref: NX 601 481

About 2 miles to the west of Borgue along a side road to the left (south).

Number of CWGC burials 1

(edited by spoons to add above template on first post)

following photo by Ken Morrison



Name: ELMS, FRANCIS JAMES
Rank: Lance Corporal
Regiment/Service: Machine Gun Corps (Cavalry)
Unit Text: 9th Sqdn.
Age: 24
Date of Death: 10/10/1918
Service No: 50656
Additional information: Son of James and Lydia Bertha Elms, of 277, Lewisham High Rd., London. Born in London.
Cemetery: Kirkandrews Old Churchyard, near East wall.

This newspaper report explains how a soldier from London comes to be buried in a churchyard near Borgue, Kirkcudbrightshire:


The RMS Leinster was sunk by UB 123 in Dublin Bay on 10th October 1918 - over 500 lives were lost. The body of L/Cpl Elms was found on Saturday, 9th November and he was buried the following Wednesday.

Hopefully, someone will be able to visit Kirkandrews Old Churchyard and photograph L/Cpl Elms' headstone. His is the only CWGC burial at this site.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

L/Corp Elms was one of eleven bodies (that I have identified so far) washed ashore in SW Scotland.

(edit by spoons - this is a private stone on a CWGC listed grave)



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Erected by Public Subscription"

Does that mean the locals paid for the lair and headstone?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It normally means they had a 'whip round' of some sort.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drove thro' snow and fog to this cemetery today and found......



The view is across Wigtown Bay to Garlieston and the Isle of Whithorn.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Name: MILROY, JOHN
Intials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Highland Light Infantry
Unit Text: 9th (Glasgow Hdrs.) Bn.
Age: 34
Date of Death: 15/7/1916
Service No: 4224
Additional Information: Son of the late William and Susan Milroy of Carrick, Borgue, Kirkcudbrightshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 15 C.
Memorial: Thiepval Memorial, Somme, France.

John is listed on the Borgue War Memorial.



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have just found out that the gravestone on the CWG of Corporal ELMS was placed there in 2002 (by CWGC?)
There is a photo of the original stone at http://www.kirkyards.co.uk/borgue/kirkandrews/110.jpg with the transcription at http://www.kirkyards.co.uk/borgue/kirkandrews.asp?Inscription=elms

Unfortunately this site does not give any contact details and I'm not clear on their copywrite situation.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, I wonder why it was replaced? Obviously a new stone and with an additional inscription. I have never heard of CWGC placing a non pattern stone.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spoons wrote:
Interesting, I wonder why it was replaced?


The original had the name wrong - but why wait until 2002????
Curious. Maybe the guy who runs the "kirkyards" site would know. A man called James Bell - anyone know him???
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Made contact with James Bell and he tells me that a member of L/Corp. Elms family commission a new stone in 2002 primarily to correct the mis-spelling of the name (Elims)

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenmorrison wrote:
Have just found out that the gravestone on the CWG of Corporal ELMS was placed there in 2002 (by CWGC?)
There is a photo of the original stone at http://www.kirkyards.co.uk/borgue/kirkandrews/110.jpg with the transcription at http://www.kirkyards.co.uk/borgue/kirkandrews.asp?Inscription=elms

Unfortunately this site does not give any contact details and I'm not clear on their copywrite situation.

Ken


The photo of the old stone is now at http://www.kirkyards.co.uk/kirkandrews/ - entry 110

Surname changed from Elins to Elms, initials changed and additional text has been added.
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