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kenmorrison



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 4:57 pm    Post subject: CWGC - Appeal for relatives Reply with quote

I see from the CWGC site that they are proposing to erect War Grave markers in a number of cemeteries in the UK.
http://www.cwgc.org/news-events/news/appeal-for-relatives.aspx

Looking at the list there are a few in Scotland including a half-dozen or so in Glasgow (Sitehill)
I haven't checked them all but (oddly) they seem to include those stones that were moved to Eastwood - the Wypers brothers are an obvious example.

Page 7 http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=131&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90

PS just noticed that the photo on the CWGC News page is Eastwood.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw that too Ken.

It seems a bit daft to me, to re-instate stones back to Sighthill (for example) after all this time.

I haven't checked for 'doublers' but I remember that a few of the men had existing family stones marking their graves anyway, so will there now be 2 stones in that case?

I spent hours and hours in Sighthill trying to figure out the layout and the way in which the lairs might run and came across most of them by co-incidence rather than trying to follow a pattern.

I wonder why the Southern Necropolis hasn't been included in the list as the stones from there were also moved to Eastwood?

Anne
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It seems a bit daft to me, to re-instate stones back to Sighthill (for example) after all this time.


CWGC have an obligation under their Charter to commemorate the casualty.
Usually this will be by CWGC headstone over the grave. Where this is in place and for a variety of reasons, usually because the graves or area has become unmaintanable, they may decide to move the headsone to a nearby location where they can continue to care for them. They can sometimes decide to record the details on a Special Memorial panel at a nearby location.
I don't know the circumstances here but for some reason, due to an issue at Sighthill, they moved the stones to Eastwood as a Special Memorial, as detailed on the database.

It will remain CWGC's preference to commemorate at the grave, and if this becomes possible in the future, they would wish to put that in place again. This is also happening elswhere and in India where cemeteries had to be abandoned in the early 1950's.

As far a two commemorations are concerned, CWGC will only have one. Where NOK accepted a war stone there was nothing to stop them recording details of the casualty on a private headstone if the lair remained in their ownership. This would not happen if the lair was transferred to CWGC
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apanderson



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know the 'rules' Jim - I just think it's a bit silly to keep moving stones from one cemetery to another - and Eastwood is not particularly nearby - it's miles away!

There are 3 cemeteries only 5 minutes away - The Western Necropolis, Lambhill and St. Kentigern's where there are hundreds of CWGC graves, so Eastwood must have been chosen for some other reason other than locality.

Sighthill closed for (new) burials during the 1950's and the only burials since have been carried out if there was room in an existing lair.

As for maintenance - it's the usual story - in other words - go anywhere near at your own risk just in case you're hit on the head with bits of stone pinging everywhere when they clip (or smash) into stones.

I have heard that the whole Sighthill area is due for a re-vamp in the near future so perhaps this has something to do with it?

Anne
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anne

Your suggestion that the Sighthill areas " due for a re-vamp " is probably behind much of the change you are seeing.

I now understand that during the 1950's there were a lot of cemeteries that were deemed unmaintainable at the time and these were among them. Some were, at that time, privately owned cemeteries that in some cases had gone bankrupt and CWGC decided to provide alternative commemoration in the case of Sighthill and the Southern Necropolis at Eastwood, which they could maintain.

Times and circumstances have changed.
Over the last couple of years CWGC have been locating all the war graves at Sighthill and the Southern with assistance from council staff and hope to place CWGC headstones on all the located graves in the near future. As has been pointed out, some of the casualties are marked on family memorials and where they are suitable they will have been cleaned.

The place of commemoration will change to the identified grave positions.
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kenmorrison



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see the latest CWGC appeal for relatives includes three men named on a stone in Dumfries (St. Andrew's) R C Cemetery - Canochan, Donnelly and Hullin. See Paul's post at http://scottishwargraves.phpbbweb.com/viewtopic.php?t=364

They are buried in the former Holy Cross Churchyard.

(wasn't there a story about this burial ground recently?)
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