The Scottish War Graves Project Forum Index The Scottish War Graves Project
Part of the Scottish Military Research Group (Registered Scottish Charity No. SC043826). Please visit our homepage at www.scottishmilitaryresearch.co.uk
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Kilmorie Chapel, Loch Fyne

 
This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.   This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    The Scottish War Graves Project Forum Index -> Argyll & Bute
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
JIMMCGINLAY



Joined: 05 Oct 2007
Posts: 748
Location: Glasgow

PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:01 pm    Post subject: Kilmorie Chapel, Loch Fyne Reply with quote

Kilmorie Chapel lies on the eastern shores of Loch Fyne and is on the west side of the B800 between Castle Lachlan and Garbhallt.

CWGC ENTRY: (Some of the details are inconsistant but I believe this is the correct entry)
Name: DOUGLAS, NEIL ARCHIBALD
Initials: N A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Surgeon Lieutenant
Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: H.M.S. Spartiate.
Age: 28
Date of Death: 25/02/1943
Awards: M B E
Additional information: Son of James and Elizabeth Douglas; husband of Margaret Sutherland Douglas, of Arbroath, Angus. M.B., Ch.B.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 80, Column 2.
Memorial: PORTSMOUTH NAVAL MEMORIAL


Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Adam Brown



Joined: 21 Sep 2007
Posts: 722
Location: Edinburgh

PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim

I'm sure you have the right man here. Apart from the date of death everything else matches between headstone and CWGC entry.

HMS "Spartiate" was a shore base near Glasgow so Surgeon Lt Douglas must have been serving on another vessel when he died.

He was a graduate of Glasgow University and you can find his details and his photograph on their online Roll of Honour here

http://www.universitystory.gla.ac.uk/biography/?id=WH0351&type=P

Neil Archibald Douglas
GU Degree: MBChB, 1940
Born: 16 September 1913, Newton Strachur, Scotland
Father's details: James Douglas; Marine Engineer
War Service: Surgeon Lieutenant, Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Died: 25 February 1943
Grave / Memorial: Portsmouth Naval Memorial, England

Adam
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Adam Brown



Joined: 21 Sep 2007
Posts: 722
Location: Edinburgh

PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to this website he died on the SS 'Stockport'

http://www.carlscam.com/stockport/sstockport.htm

This is webpage about a war memorial in St Peter's Church, Stockport commemorating the Convoy Rescue Ship SS 'Stockport'

I have been unable to find a way of contacting Carl Rogerson who own the website but he says the images can be used. I will endevour to let him know they are being used here out of courtesy





Merchant Navy Personnel

Master Thomas Ernest FEA, OBE 40 Shenfield, Essex
Chief Officer Herbert King EARNSHAW, MBE 33 Hull
Second Officer Thomas Cooper KINCHIN 27
Third Officer Kenneth Frank JACOB 21 Coulsdon, Surrey
Chief Engineer Officer Bertram Anderson PARTON, KCB 56 Cleethorpes, Lincolnshire
Second Engineer Officer Edgar James INKSTER 26 Moreton, Cheshire
Third Engineer Officer George Noble ROBERTSON 32 Cruden Bay, Aberdeenshire
Fourth Engineer Officer Peter Anthony DONNELLY 22 Glasgow
First Radio Officer Archibald Halliday Smith WALKER 42
Second Radio Officer Alistair McMurdo LIVINGSTONE, KCB 22 Glasgow
Third Radio Officer Hugh MACLEAN 22
First Radio Officer Arthur George Twining YONGE 27
Second Radio Officer Richard BUTLER 24
Third Radio Officer Kenneth William Roland CAMERON 19
Carpenter John CLARK 29 Ruaig, Isle of Tiree
Boatswain Eric William ROWSE, BEM 44 Hull
Able Seaman Henry George HOOPER 28
Able Seaman Alexander MACDONALD 31
Able Seaman Francis McHUGH 31
Able Seaman Henry MARTIN 23 Glasgow
Able Seaman Donald SMITH 30 Wick, Caithnesshire
Able Seaman George SOUTHERN 57
Able Seaman James Fleet SUTHERLAND 28
Sailor Malcolm MACDONALD 18 Vatersay, Isle of Barra
Sailor Murdo MacLEOD, BEM 39
Sailor Herbert RICHARDS 22 Bellshill, Lanarkshire
Sailor George SLATER 26 Port Gordon, Banffshire
Sailor Llewelyn Grey THOMAS 20
Donkeyman James Albert TURRELL 29 Grimsby, Lincolnshire
Greaser James McCARTHY 41
Greaser Herbert Joseph SPENCER 57 Marsh Chapel, Lincolnshire
Fireman David DONALDSON 21
Fireman Gordon Llewelyn HAMER 18 Beaufort, Monmouthshire
Fireman Robert JACKSON 22 Northwich, Cheshire
Fireman Richard Christopher KENNY 30 Rothesay, Bute
Fireman William Paterson McALLAN 22 Peterculter, Aberdeenshire
Fireman Colin Francis McDONALD 19 Glasgow
Fireman John McGEOWN 23
Fireman George Thomas PRING 38
Fireman Courtney Thomas PURNELL 19 Cross Keys, Monmouthshire
Fireman Thomas RAITT 22 Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Fireman Henry Arthur WESTGATE 27 Northolt, Middlesex
Fireman Frederick Albert WHITE 19 Finchley, Middlesex
Chief Steward John William GUY 47
Steward Christopher JACKSON 29 Cambridge
Cook James PURVIS 30
Baker John Nelson ALLAN 25 Biggar, Lanarkshire
Cabin Boy Ronald FINLEY 19 North Cheam, Surrey
Robert A HUTCHINSON
Galley Boy William LISTER 18
Cabin Boy Richard John ROONEY 17 Eastwood, Renfrewshire


Royal Navy Personnel

Surgeon Lieutenant RNVR Neil Archibald DOUGLAS, MBE, MB, Ch B 28 Arbroath, Angus
Sick Berth Attendant Stanley ECCLES 21 Bradford, Yorkshire
Sick Berth Attendant Ernest HELME, BEM 25 Gorton, Manchester
Convoy Signalman Thomas Arthur WASTELL 20 Swansea, Glamorgan
Convoy Signalman William Peter LAWSON 24 Dundee, Angus
Joseph L FAIRBAIN
Charles CATOIS
Able Seaman Joseph Norman STAPLES 28 Stretford, Lancashire
Able Seaman James ANGUS 20 Glasgow
Able Seaman Hugh Henderson CRAWFORD 25 Glasgow
Able Seaman Colin ASHTON 29 Chorley, Lancashire
T MARSDEN
Able Seaman William Henry STILL 19 Harrow Weald, Middlesex

And from the same website

The SS Stockport disappeared in the North Atlantic on 24th February 1943, most probably sunk by a German submarine. On board were the 64 man crew named on this memorial, and an unknown number of "survivors" pulled from the sea by the Stockport after their own ships had been torpedoed.
In peacetime the Stockport had been a passenger-cargo steamer. Her home port was Grimsby. She plied the London & North Eastern Railway (LNER) company's routes across the North Sea to Holland.

Her wartime role was as hospital rescue ship escorting convoys across the Atlantic Ocean. She survived several convoys in which many ships were sunk, rescuing over 400 of their crew. At 1,600 tons, and with a top speed on a good day of only 13 knots, the 30 year old ship was not best suited to the North Atlantic in mid winter.

On convoy duty, when the explosion of a torpedo announced the presence of U-boats, other ships left the vicinity as swiftly as possible, but the Stockport's lonely task was to steam towards the site of the explosion and search for survivors. Without the protection of a convoy, the Stockport was an easy target. Her crew regularly risked own lives to save others.

Several ships were sunk as convoy ON-166 made its way across the ocean. Each time the Stockport stopped to rescue survivors she lagged further behind. No one knows the exact details of her last moments.

This memorial to the SS Stockport is located in the town of the same name. I was curious to know if there was any other connection between the town and ship, and checked to see if any of the crew came from Stockport. None did. The nearest was from Stretford, five miles away. Two were from Cheshire, but most of the crew were of Scottish origin.


Last edited by Adam Brown on Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:33 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Adam Brown



Joined: 21 Sep 2007
Posts: 722
Location: Edinburgh

PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And from U-Boat net here are the details of the sinking.

http://www.uboat.net/allies/merchants/2676.html

It makes grim reading, she sunk within three minutes of being torpedoed. The pervious post said there were countless unknown survivors of other sinkings on the 'Stockport' when she was sunk but this website records that they had already been transferred to a Canadian Naval ship.

Stockport
Type: Steam merchant
Tonnage 1.683 tons
Completed 1911 - Earle´s Shipbuilding & Engineering Co Ltd, Hull
Owner: London & North Eastern Railway Co, London
Homeport: Grimsby
Date of attack: 23 Feb, 1943
Nationality: British

Fate
Sunk by U-604 (Horst Höltring)
Position: 47.22N, 34.10W - Grid BD 4633
Complement: 64 (64 dead - no survivors)
Convoy: ON-166 (straggler)
Route: Greenock (8 Feb) - Clyde (11 Feb) - St. Johns
Cargo: None (Rescue ship)
History: On 22 Oct, 1941, the Stockport became operational as rescue ship, took part in 16 convoys and picked up 413 survivors altogether.

Notes on loss
At 03.12 hours on 23 Feb, 1943, U-604 fired a spread of four torpedoes at the Stockport (Master Thomas Ernest Fea OBE) and scored two hits that caused the ship to sink within three minutes east of Cape Race. The rescue ship fell behind the convoy ON-166 when picking up the survivors from 'Empire Trader' on 22 February. After transferring the men to HMCS 'Dauphin' (K 157), she tried to rejoin the convoy but was torpedoed and lost with all hands.

The U-604 was scuttled on 11 Aug, 1943 in the South Atlantic after being bombed by American aircraft.


Last edited by Adam Brown on Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:57 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
JIMMCGINLAY



Joined: 05 Oct 2007
Posts: 748
Location: Glasgow

PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great to have the additional posts. I was sorry to see Neil Douglas does not appear to be listed on the Arbroath war memorial, or any of the memorials in the surrounding area of Castle Lachlan so it was good to know he is remembered on some memorial.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
adb41



Joined: 24 Apr 2008
Posts: 1539

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found AB Alexander Macdonald remembered on a gravestone in the Eye Cemetery in Lewis.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Adam Brown



Joined: 21 Sep 2007
Posts: 722
Location: Edinburgh

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adb

Good to see another one of the Stockport's crew identified. I see from your posts on the other thread that A.B. Macdonald's brother was lost three weeks later in 1943 in another U-boat attack on another ship and both are listed on the Tower Hill Memorial in London.

Looking at the posts above again an easily overlooked statistic hit me.

"...took part in 16 convoys..."

16 convoys in 16 months as a sitting target whenever a ship was torpedoed. It must have taken a special kind of courage to crew a ship like the Stockport

Kind regards

Adam
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.   This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    The Scottish War Graves Project Forum Index -> Argyll & Bute All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group. Hosted by phpBB.BizHat.com