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Niddrie Marischall Burial Ground

 
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Adam Brown



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:40 pm    Post subject: Niddrie Marischall Burial Ground Reply with quote

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1 WW1 CWGC grave
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scotsman50



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:56 pm    Post subject: Visit to Cemetery Reply with quote

This cemetery is situated on the corner of Greendykes Road and Niddrie House Drive.

There is a sign saying it is owned by Edinburgh Council but the gates are closed and padlocked.

Looking from a location opposite the entrance gate there is no visible sign of a CWGC stone in the central area as described on the CWGC site, but the cemetery does seem to be well maintained.

Name, etc. of person interred here is below photos.









Name Skirving, Thomas Maylin
Initials TM
Rank Lance Serjeant
Regiment Lothians and Border Horse
Age 25
Date of Death 20/11/1917
Service No 120215


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apanderson



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't find it on the CWGC list of Cemeteries unless it's known to them by a different name?

Or it might be case that I'm just not seeing it?

The stone might not be in the style of a 'traditional' one - it could be one of any shape or form erected by the family.

Anne
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scotsman50



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This cemetery was listed on our site and all I did was go to the CWGC site and enter "Niddrie". This search brings up Niddrie Marischal Burial ground and 1 CWGC stone.
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apanderson



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, sorry! I misunderstood what you said - I thought you had found it within the list of cemeteries on the CWGC site and I was being a bit dim and couldn't see it!

I did as you did, just entered 'Niddrie' and up it came! Strange that it's not included in the list of cemeteries though.

I have no idea why the details aren't available - possibly because it was a private burial ground?

Anne Confused
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scotsman50



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At some point the City of Edinburgh Council have taken over the maintenance of this cemetery.

Below is quoted what appears in Location Information on the CWGC site -

NIDDRIE MARISCHALL BURIAL GROUND is a very old privately owned graveyard in the policies of Niddrie House, Liberton, on the road from Craigmillar to Musselburgh.

About the middle of the burial ground, there is one 1914-1918 War grave.
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apanderson



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've sent an e-mail to Iain Anderson, CWGC's Regional Supervisor to ask if he can shed any light on the situation and asking if he can tell me who is buried there, so if and when he gets back to me, I'll post an update.

Anne
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apanderson



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mystery solved! Iain replied this morning.

SKIRVING, T M (SKIRVING, Thomas Mylne)

Rank: Lance Serjeant
Service No: 120215
Date of Death: 20/11/1917
Age: 25
Regiment/Service: Lothians and Border Horse
Grave Reference: Buried in centre of burial ground.
Cemetery: NIDDRIE MARISCHALL BURIAL GROUND

The stone is the white (marble) one in the centre of the ground which has three square blocks and is in your photo (between the squarish block and the fallen pink granite one)

The complete inscription reads:

"In loving memory of Thomas Mylne Skirving, Tenant of Niddrie Mains, died 16th August 1905 aged 55 years
His son Sergt. Thomas Mylne, L & B, Horse, who died of fever while home on leave from foreign service 20th November 1917 aged 25
Marion Forrest Hunter wife of the aboveThomas Mylne Skirving who died 6th January 1928"


Mortonhall crematorium hold keys to the gate which allows access.

Anne
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iain Anderson, CWGC Regional Supervisor has very kindly allowed me to reproduce his photos of T. M. Skirving's stone.



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scotsman50



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2013 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry, but I don't see where there is any mystery here.

The CWGC site lists the cemetery, the location of where a stone should be and gives name, rank, service number, regiment and date of death - all of which were entered on my first message about this burial ground.

Maybe, as you said earlier, you have not read what I sent properly.
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kenmorrison



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks as though Lance Sergeant (1465 & 120215) Thomas Mylne Skirving, 1/1st Lothian and Borders Horse Yeomanry served in Salonika with either "A" or "D" Squadrons.
Disease, including various fevers, was widespread - causing more casualties than action.
His death was registered at Linlithgow, West Lothian.
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Keptie



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:42 pm    Post subject: graveyard Reply with quote

Did the Military family - WAUCHOPE not own the house and lands around this location at one time and not in the not so long ago past . ( Major General A G wauchope being one of the family ?

pat w anderson
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kenmorrison



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pat - the Wikipedia entry for Niddrie has:
The Wauchope family owned the majority of the area up to the 1930s. The family home Niddrie Marischal House was immediately west of the present day Jack Kane Centre sports complex in Hunters Hall Park. The Wauchopes eventually donated their lands to the city.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A small correction to what Ken has added about the Wauchope Estate.
The Estate was sold to the then Edinburgh Corporation in 1944 for 8,000.
I have added a link below for the Wauchope Family and one for the Wauchope Mausoleum.

http://users.commspeed.net/~rmccomb/wauchop1.html

http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/192/planning-listed_buildings_and_conservation_areas/1038/the_wauchope_mausoleum

The mausoleum link details conservation plans that the City of Edinburgh Council prepared in 2010. There is a very small mention of the Niddrie Marischall burial ground in these plans.
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